<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne" class="u-url mention">@<span>ariadne</span></a></span> <br />Is it political for a state to set limits on emissions of particular pollutants into the atmosphere? Hell yeah.</p><p>But is it political for me to breathe that air?</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.io/@wolf480pl" class="u-url mention">@<span>wolf480pl</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne" class="u-url mention">@<span>ariadne</span></a></span> sure. i just don&#39;t think the distinction you&#39;re talking about exists as a bright line. open source software doesn&#39;t exist in a vacuum, you&#39;re able to achieve these goals--to some extent, even _conceptualize_ them--because thousands before you pursued these other ones</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne" class="u-url mention">@<span>ariadne</span></a></span> <br />Right.</p><p>But if I can succeed at my goal even if my acts do not sufficiently encourage contribution or labour without compensation, and don&#39;t sufficiently normalize the free exchange of complex works</p><p>then it&#39;s easier to say &quot;no&quot;.</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.io/@wolf480pl" class="u-url mention">@<span>wolf480pl</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne" class="u-url mention">@<span>ariadne</span></a></span> even just going by your own definition it counts: &quot;encouraging contributions of labor without compensation&quot; and &quot;normalizing exchange of complex works for free&quot; both relate to changing other people&#39;s behavior</p><p>(both the free software movement and the open source movement are political, for the same reasons and more)</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://social.treehouse.systems/@ariadne" class="u-url mention">@<span>ariadne</span></a></span> <br />hm....</p><p>how do we define politics?</p><p>And assuming non-political things exist,<br />can one incidentally commit political acts while pursuing non-political goals, without care for the political effects?</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://girldick.gay/@xoli" class="u-url mention">@<span>xoli</span></a></span> Pretty much</p>

<p>element doing anything out of ordinary is a reliable way to end up incandescently angry for no reason</p><p>matrix is a mistake</p>

<p>times since element randomly logged me out of the client, necessitating a long and obnoxious process to get it to re-login: [0]</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@dabeaz" class="u-url mention">@<span>dabeaz</span></a></span> You know, all the overengineered file APIs that haven&#39;t made sense since 1984.</p>