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<p>The UK is now making grooming gangs a national concern. They are bringing up old issues. </p><p>Wait for Southeast Asia, particularly Indonesia (a Muslim country and a member of BRICS), to drop the bombshell on human trafficking of young girls perpetrated by British and other European expats and groomers. It will be all over the web.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@danluu" class="u-url mention">@<span>danluu</span></a></span> yes, for sure, "learning just enough programming to write the app" is learning a skill</p><p>but so is "learning to iteratively apply an LLM assistant to a codebase, and to extract enough information from failure cases to feed it back"</p><p>it's not obvious to me that the latter skill takes much less effort than the former</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@danluu" class="u-url mention">@<span>danluu</span></a></span> although i want to point out a potential confounding factor here</p><p>non-programmers have always been writing code! they would often write code that is kind of garbage but mostly works! game development is particularly full of this phenomenon</p><p>so i think you have to compare LLMs against not "nobody writes the app" but "the same non-programmer learns just enough programming to write the app"</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@danluu" class="u-url mention">@<span>danluu</span></a></span> yeah, i arrived at similar conclusions years ago</p><p>will LLMs ever replace me, specifically? nah, i can outcompete with any assistant the tech industry can produce, at a fraction of the resources it requires</p><p>will LLMs be useful at generating basically garbage code at a fraction of a cost of a human generating basically garbage code (that still sort of works)? yeah i guess</p>
<p>And, sure, the LLM generated code isn't great, but if I compare the game and "AI" in <a href="https://danluu.com/codenames/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">danluu.com/codenames/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> to commercially successful online board game implementations that were created by human programmers, the LLM generated version is faster and less buggy.</p><p>Per the argument in <a href="https://danluu.com/customer-service/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">danluu.com/customer-service/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> (see also, <a href="https://danluu.com/p95-skill/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">danluu.com/p95-skill/</span><span class="invisible"></span></a>), AI doesn't have to be very good to replace humans in a lot of roles because, in practice, humans often aren't all that good.</p>
<p>This exchange between some programmers and a non-programmer typifies what I was getting at in <a href="https://danluu.com/codenames/#appendix-writing-the-code-for-the-post" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">danluu.com/codenames/#appendix</span><span class="invisible">-writing-the-code-for-the-post</span></a></p><p>Programmer 1: GPT-4o and Claude Haiku useless, Claude Sonnet helpful<br />Programmer 2: Claude Sonnet actually useless, worse than Google search 10 years ago<br />Non-programmer: What do you mean GPT-4o is useless? I don't know how to program and created an app that makes $10k/mo with GPT-4o</p><p>LLMs have allowed non-programmers to produce basically working apps for years. That's a big deal!</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span><br />I see your ISO 7816 and I raise you ISO 15118-20 with PKI over XML over IPv6 over powerline (over USB-PD)... designed to pay for charging!</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> Bring-Your-Own-Battery services, as a treat.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> would be better than this I guess</p><p>(Yes it's old, but it's still in my head)</p><p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcIwCbvmxsU" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">youtube.com/watch?v=xcIwCbvmxs</span><span class="invisible">U</span></a></p>
