<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> oh for sure, it absolutely can be inconvenient that a document was made in a specific tool rather than your preferred one. no argument there.</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> my rather unpopular view on the matter is that I&#39;m cool with people using literally anything to make open hardware as long as they publish the stuff I need to hack on the firmware, a schematic I can read without any specific software (please make PDFs or PNGs even if you&#39;re providing a KiCad doc!), and gerber files at a bare minimum. they can design the board in Cadence for all I care. if that makes me a borderline absolutist on freedom of choice in tooling then so be it.</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I guess the one counterargument I can think of is that I&#39;m not quite ready to say that a project isn&#39;t OSS because you have to build it with Keil, or that a bitstream isn&#39;t OS[S|HW] because you need Vivado</p><p>I think I just _really_ hate learning new PCB layout tools. I learned EAGLE in 2000s, KiCAD in 2010s, and ... *looks at the date* well fuck me I guess I should take a look at Altium</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> i call such project hackable, but not open!</p>

@Jonny@annihilation.social sorry, you are clearly born as a faggot brat bottom, i can tell from the way too many posts. My mom doesn't like people that can't decide for sure. Dm me if you want to be tied and topped up tho

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bladerunner.social/@stevelord" class="u-url mention">@<span>stevelord</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> do you have an example to illustrate this comparison?</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> oh I mean the firmware and whatever would definitely be public, that&#39;s a given.</p>

<p><span class="h-card"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> oshw is to open hardware as open source is to the SaaS industry. Sorry, I don&#39;t make the rules</p>

<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> ...unless they are non-binary.</p>