Whole-known-network
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I think it's a "open source" vs "community developed open source" (e.g. think of sqlite), which is a related but different distinction</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I think a lot of open hardware projects are "open in name only" and they might as well come as a parts kit from China and I would be none the wiser, yes; the OSHWA rubberstamp kind of just tells me "I can clone this thing and not get sued" which gives me, personally, as a non-production-run-enjoyer, very little</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> It's that "free as in beer" vs "free as in freedom" argument again really. Is it so free I can make one, or so free I can remix it to suit my needs, and everyone else can too?</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> so now that I've talked to its designer there's a series of youtube videos on the AFE design, which goes a long way towards making it *usefully* open rather than merely *having openly available assets you may not even known what to do with*</p><p>sure, for very simple hardware it's the same. but even something as relatively simple as the Glasgow Interface Explorer wouldn't be quite okay if it was just gerbers and not, e.g., "here's why you shouldn't replace the LDO"</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I would tend to agree, but ironically this is a level of documentation that almost no open source hardware has, including some of the most lauded projects celebrated as archetypal examples of the practice.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> stuff I would need to get a usable piece of hardware instead of a hardware-shaped doorstep</p><p>like I have Thunderscope for example on my desk, there's schematics, there's gerbers, but without extensive documentation and, let's be real, a discord DM with its designer it's more of a doorstep than an oscilloscope</p>
<p>Frunsi wanted permission to package <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/krita" class="mention hashtag" rel="tag">#<span>krita</span></a> with their Android art tablet. There's no problem with that, of course! They sent me one of their tablets, and I have to say, I'm quite impressed. Feels nice, great screen, really complete -- even comes with gloves, a manual, a spare battery and more:</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I guess it depends on what "ancillary documentation" means here.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I don't really get it because this just doesn't let me do much? like having gerbers but no ancillary documentation is basically just a few hours with sandpaper away from not having any board files at all</p>