Whole-known-network
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> I do actually think that "is it worse than using Vivado for your FPGA or Keil for your firmware?" is a useful litmis test here, in that it either helps someone figure out what it is they value, or cuts down to the difference in the understanding of the term "open"</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> yup, and that's perfectly valid. if the UX sucks for you, the UX sucks for you. it's the same reason why I begrudgingly use F360 over Blender. every other UX sucks for me.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> and that's a perfectly valid way to feel! but I do take umbrage with people of that pursuasion unilaterally dictating what is and isn't "open", since it always leads to arbitrary purity tests that distract from building stuff that people can actually use and get benefit from.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> (or as it is in my case, that i might have to install some gigantic application that doesn't have a Linux version and is going to be a pain in the ass to work with for that reason. I didn't mind EAGLE before the acquisition)</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> nobody enjoys using C++ build systems, Graham. Nobody! I say this as a person who is so good at CMake others come to me when they can't figure out their CMake setup</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> ultimately I think this whole argument is much easier when we skip the proxy arguments around the semantics of what is and isn't "open source" and get right down to the meat of it, which is that there are a lot of people whose opinions on the matter are solely driven by their discomfort with the idea that they might need to engage with a commerical piece of software in order to get the most out of an open project.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://digipres.club/@philpem" class="u-url mention">@<span>philpem</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> you can remix it. you just might not enjoy setting up or using the tools as much as the author did, just like I might not enjoy setting up an annoying build system for an open source C++ project whereas others can breeze through it.</p>
<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@whitequark" class="u-url mention">@<span>whitequark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@gsuberland" class="u-url mention">@<span>gsuberland</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://pleroma.m68k.church/users/gorplop" class="u-url mention">@<span>gorplop</span></a></span> yeah, you're right, that's a much better way of putting it.</p>
